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'Fumes coming up'? The US president is now claiming windmills (i.e., wind turbines) "kill all the birds"?
 
'Fumes coming up'? The US president is now claiming windmills (i.e., wind turbines) "kill all the birds"?
  
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Take a gander here -- it's cats and cars for that matter that are the big problems w/ bird kills per the evidence, the facts, the data, the reality. Then there is  the loss of bird habitat, and crashes into buildings w/ glass windows.... take a look at the scientific studies https://www.fws.gov/birds/bird-enthusiasts/threats-to-birds.php and way down the list of causes is spinning windmills, so there's that (but what about 'the fumes'? What about [https://www.greenpolicy360.net/w/File:Trump_-_windmills_-_cancer.jpg 'windmills causing cancer'] as the US president often has talked about? Science doesn't recognize a cause-and-effect relationship between windmills and cancer, but science does recognize the threat of climate disruption.  
 
Take a gander here -- it's cats and cars for that matter that are the big problems w/ bird kills per the evidence, the facts, the data, the reality. Then there is  the loss of bird habitat, and crashes into buildings w/ glass windows.... take a look at the scientific studies https://www.fws.gov/birds/bird-enthusiasts/threats-to-birds.php and way down the list of causes is spinning windmills, so there's that (but what about 'the fumes'? What about [https://www.greenpolicy360.net/w/File:Trump_-_windmills_-_cancer.jpg 'windmills causing cancer'] as the US president often has talked about? Science doesn't recognize a cause-and-effect relationship between windmills and cancer, but science does recognize the threat of climate disruption.  
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GreenPolicy360 points to fact and science as a guide and the [https://strategicdemands.com/new-definitions-of-security/ strategic demands for "new definitions of national security".] Last night's US presidential debate was educational as it addressed the alloted time for discussion of "climate chage".  
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GreenPolicy360 points to fact and science as a guide and the [https://strategicdemands.com/new-definitions-of-security/ strategic demands for "new definitions of national security".] Last night's US presidential debate was educational as it addressed the alloted time for discussion of "climate change".  
  
 
Former VP Biden spoke in last night's debate of a need to transition from the oil industry to renewable, clean energy. The former vice president spoke of a global move to tackle climate change and of US opportunity to be a leader, and spoke of his political, 'unity' plan for a clean energy future, creating good-paying jobs with a massive investment and creating new environmentally-friendly industries.  
 
Former VP Biden spoke in last night's debate of a need to transition from the oil industry to renewable, clean energy. The former vice president spoke of a global move to tackle climate change and of US opportunity to be a leader, and spoke of his political, 'unity' plan for a clean energy future, creating good-paying jobs with a massive investment and creating new environmentally-friendly industries.  

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October 23, 2020 - After the Debate

Two-Thirds of Americans Think Government Should Do More on Climate, a June 2020 research study and poll came to mind as the final US Presidential Debate Commission broadcast was held last night.

And "fumes" became a topic -- The president attacked clean energy, taking particular issue with 'windmills', falsely stating they “kill all the birds” and saying "the fumes coming up, if you’re a believer in carbon emission … for these massive windmills is more than anything we’re talking about with natural gas which is very clean”.

'Fumes coming up'? The US president is now claiming windmills (i.e., wind turbines) "kill all the birds"?

What?

Take a gander here -- it's cats and cars for that matter that are the big problems w/ bird kills per the evidence, the facts, the data, the reality. Then there is the loss of bird habitat, and crashes into buildings w/ glass windows.... take a look at the scientific studies https://www.fws.gov/birds/bird-enthusiasts/threats-to-birds.php and way down the list of causes is spinning windmills, so there's that (but what about 'the fumes'? What about 'windmills causing cancer' as the US president often has talked about? Science doesn't recognize a cause-and-effect relationship between windmills and cancer, but science does recognize the threat of climate disruption.


TRUMP: “The fumes coming up to make these massive windmills is more than anything that we’re talking about with natural gas.”

AP (Associated Press) Fact Check: THE FACTS: That’s false. (Also, they’re called wind turbines. Windmills mill grain.)

Wind turbines produce pollution when they are manufactured and little to none when in operation, federal scientists say. Even taking manufacturing emissions into account, wind power is far cleaner than natural gas.

Scientists in the Energy Department’s Natural Renewable Energy Laboratory calculate that wind turbines produce an average of 0.4 ounces of carbon dioxide per kilowatt hour generated, over their lifetime. That includes emissions from manufacturing...


GreenPolicy360 points to fact and science as a guide and the strategic demands for "new definitions of national security". Last night's US presidential debate was educational as it addressed the alloted time for discussion of "climate change".

Former VP Biden spoke in last night's debate of a need to transition from the oil industry to renewable, clean energy. The former vice president spoke of a global move to tackle climate change and of US opportunity to be a leader, and spoke of his political, 'unity' plan for a clean energy future, creating good-paying jobs with a massive investment and creating new environmentally-friendly industries.

“Our health and our jobs are at stake,” he said, noting that not only environmentalists but labor unions have backed his $2 trillion climate plan.

The current US president did talk about his retreat from international cooperation and climate action among and between nations, necessary due to the fact that global CO2 and other GHG emissions are a global issue.

TRUMP: The Paris accord meant “we were going to have to spend trillions of dollars.... They did a great disservice. They were going to take away our business.”

THE FACTS: The Paris accord, an international agreement that aims to halt the rise in global temperatures, is based on voluntary emission reductions. No nation was forced to do anything.


One thing for certain is future generations will look back at the failure of the US during the Trump years and judge...


The day after the US pres debate, and the existential issue of the climate crisis, the judgments from the e-arena have begun. Scientists and environmental activists quoted in post-debate news reporting include:


Michael Mann, Distinguished Professor of Atmospheric Science at Penn State and member of the US National Academy of Sciences:

“Tonight's debate highlighted the starkest contrast imaginable between the two candidates when it comes to the defining challenge of our time."

“On the one hand you have Donald Trump who denies the climate threat and has sought to sabotage both domestic and international efforts to act, and on the other hand you have Joe Biden who has put forward a bold climate plan, recognising the win-win scenario of a clean energy economy that promises jobs and a hospitable plant for us and future generations.”


Drew McConville, Senior Managing Director of Government Relations for The Wilderness Society Action Fund:

“Despite President Trump’s claims of environmental heroism, nobody’s buying it. It’s no secret that his Administration and fossil fuel industry engineered a full retreat on climate action, the gutting of health and environmental standards, and the auctioning of America’s most valuable public lands. In contrast, Vice President Biden has fought for clean energy and environmental protections, and he has committed to bold, science-based action for tackling the climate and nature crises as President.”


350 Action North America Director Tamara Toles O’Laughlin:

“It’s undeniable that climate is a top issue for voters. At tonight’s final debate, Joe Biden demonstrated the capacity for leadership our country needs and deserves, including tackling the climate crisis at scale. He doubled down on stopping fossil fuel subsidies, re-joining the Paris agreement, and creating millions of good, green jobs."


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